Post by Keith Tanaka on Jun 29, 2014 13:03:38 GMT -8
Last Sunday's first D3 hardbody enduro was a lot of fun, I can't wait until the next one.
There's been some talk about the next enduro already. What class of cars to race next time? When will the next race be?
As far as when the next enduro will be is concerned, I suggest we schedule the race around the same time next year or perhaps around Memorial Day (Sunday, May 24, 2015, a day before Memorial Day Monday). We have our annual Hardbody Nats coming up on Oct. 18th and 19th (Sat./Sun.), so the rest of this year will be busy. I prefer the Memorial Day timeframe since the weather is cooler and the following day (monday) is a holiday.
The talk so far has been about the racing class for the next enduro. The leading candidate is the GTP/Group C class. These classes (GTP in the USA, Group C in Europe) were raced from 1982 to 1993. There are a number of model kits available for these two classes, but they are more expensive than NASCARs.
Any comments on what class you would like to race in our next Enduro?
They are not too expensive if you keep looking on eBay or scour the Kit Collectors Expo. However we don't have rules for that class yet. I got one on eBay for $20 with shipping. Both Tamiya and Hasegawa make goo ones.
Just a thought on when to run the next enduro, I would be cautious of scheduling it on any holiday weekends. Many people plan family and friend get togethers, celebrations, trips, etc. for these weekends.
I agree with having it around the same time of year, sometime in the early spring, and I would like racing the GTP/Group C cars.
Whenever it is and whatever we run it should be fun and I'm looking forward to it.
I'd rather stay away from the true GTP/Group C cars because they are true low profile race cars! I LIKE the Nascars and EARLY hard body stuff BECAUSE they are so different and difficult to make handle and work well. But I'll drive anything!! I've got some of those bodies now--from the BRM 1/24 cars!! I'll scratch build a chassis--but they are so wide and low--these babies are going to be BALLISTIC!! I'll bet these will be the first hard bodies in the 4 second bracket on the flat track!! I'll start a chassis this week--probably still go anglewinder because it STILL looks like they have a little edge on the sidewinders!! Not sure---BUT--WHAT TIRE sizes are legal on these?? .950 and .850 like the new Nascars and Jalopies?? Let me know what you think ASAP Keith--because I want to start building one tomorrow!! AND--I don't like having it on a holiday weekend either--because I usually have a family outing planned around nearly ALL of them!!!
Last Edit: Jun 29, 2014 20:29:03 GMT -8 by timneja
Post by bob krigbaum on Jun 29, 2014 20:52:49 GMT -8
Tim, I built mine using the tires from the Tamiya kit as a reference. I used Pro Track 1.063 drag rears and the standard .950 fronts, they are real close to scale, the Tamiya kit tires measured 1.190 rear and 1.01 front. Mine looks good too!
Keith, I would like to suggest that we keep the cars as scale looking as possible and use tires that look like real cars. In my opinion hardbody cars with tiny little tires look ridiculous and I would rather not spend my effort on something that looks like a thingie. Using your NASCAR tire rules on the GTP/Group C would allow scale looking cars and allow cross usage of tires as well since most of the guys are using the 1.01 rear and .950 fronts already. Also I don't think we should allow any body modifications (trimming, widening) as these are low and wide right out of the box and look and run great.
Tim, You are correct about the 4 second bracket, I've gotten mine down to the 5.1's so a fast guy like yourself could very well see 4 seconds.
Post by Keith Tanaka on Jun 29, 2014 22:16:33 GMT -8
Guys, we haven't created rules for the GTP/Group C class yet. I'm looking at a few kits I have which would be most likely to race in this class. I have a Tamiya 962 kit and the scale tires measure: Rear: 1.200" Front 1.020" Without modifying the body (no enlarging the wheel well cutouts), it looks like a 1.000" rear and .875" front tire would fit all the way to the edge of the body and look somewhat scale. The body is 3.250" wide which is common for these type cars.
Be forewarned that any GTP/Group C car you build prior to any rules being established "may not" be legal for any future enduro or any race which has tech inspection (Nats). We've had this problem before where some people built cars before any rules were established and they were disappointed and mad when their car didn't meet the rules established "after" they built their car.
If you build a car before the rules are established, "you" are taking the risk of your car not meeting the rules.
Post by bob krigbaum on Jun 29, 2014 23:59:03 GMT -8
Keith, I won't be mad I'll just build another one. I think we need to have a few built to help decide what we should and shouldn't allow when the rules are drawn up. I have a Tamiya 956 and a Hasegawa Sauber 'Benz kit if you would like to look those bodies over. I could always bring them to the next race.
Post by Keith Tanaka on Jun 30, 2014 10:14:42 GMT -8
For those of you who already have a GTP/Group C model kit, let's start posting the dimensions of the bodies in this thread so we can more easily evaluate what's out there as far as model kits are concerned.
Let's post the width of the body and the wheelbase.
I'll start with this kit:
Tamiya 1/24 Porsche 962C (yellow "FROM A" body):
Body Width (outside dimension): 3.250"
I'll post (later today) the various 1/1 racing cars that competed in the GTP/Group 7 races between 1982 and 1993.
Okay--I'll build at 1.00 / .875 sizes and let er rip!! "DON"T BE CHANGING IT NOW"!! Besides--those sizes are easy to find for building without having to resort to only drag tires or mounting my own. My bodies that are from BRM are all about 3.25" wide. Craigg--I can show you how to mount any body on any car--simple.
My Calsonic Nissan R89C by Hasegawa measures: WB 4 5/8 Front 3 1/8 Rear 3 1/4 A very light body but in two major pieces and a bunch of little bits to go on it. It also has a "dent in" on the sides that will limit chassis width to 3".
Don't bend the body--take the mount OUT to the edges!!
I'll post a pic of my BRM Porsche body in the NEW BUILDS section. I already started on the chassis. Gonna go with the same style Keith and Ron showed me--.090 wire and simple tilting side pans with an anglewinder! My new NASCAR 2000 late model is a JET with that chassis. So we'll see what happens.
Last Edit: Jun 30, 2014 15:26:47 GMT -8 by timneja
Tim, you obviously don't understand, the body was 3 1/8" inside dimension, the rules are 3" max chassis width. Also the Pontiac bodies from this mold are warped by 1/4 inch front to back (I have three of them), this complicated the whole thing. I am not stupid.
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