I agree with Tim (and others) that all of our races are for "mixed" classes. As it is now we have 11 classes of cars and you only need 1 or 2 cars to race in every race of the day.
I'd prefer to have separate races for each class - like all sports cars, all Jalopies, all Trans Am, or whatever class we're racing at that time. It just seems more realistic and more fun, IMO, to have everyone driving the same class of car, and we wouldn't need all the lap differentials. We should figure out how to run each class separately. Like rotating monthly, eliminating some classes, or ?
Whatever is decided, I will be there to race. I would like to continue the Mixed type race so I can run "no class" cars, and cars of "questionable legality". Sometimes it's just for fun. I really don't care for GTP, my impaired brain can't keep up with the faster cars.
We can have both. Just announce the races in advance by class and throw in some mixed races. But the way it is now reduces the desire for some to build a variety of cars when you can just have say 2 cars and be in virtually all the races.
can i chime in here? the problem is we cant get enough racers for the less popular classes.i agree that having a race with all the same class is great but just having 2 or 3cars in a race wouldnt be to challenging.thats why combined and mix was created so we would have a full field of cars andwho says you only need 2 cars to race? build any car you want and be assured that you can race it in a mixed race.now i can see maybe featuring a race for a specific class each mo. and see how that works out.although ill race whatever i like the idea of keeping inline only class just cause its a challenge.theres plenty of other classes if you want to go fast and handle good.the beauty of hardbody racing is there is something for everybody!go fast go slow its your own little world
It's a double edged sword! If you DON'T schedule any races for the other class's--then ALL you get are mixed races and nobody building any cars. I"ve just lost interest with ONLY GTP and Late Model Nascar being all we run!! And I don't like mixed races because it's just an open free for all and we don't see how they stand up against each other in the same class. And IF I want to run GTP style cars for only SPEED reasons, I might as well go race LMP--or Retro and get REAL handling and speed. The hard body class's that attracted me to racing in the first place WERE the 46 to 56 class's and Jalopies and 60's and 70's Nascars!! Plus I LIKE the challenge of building INLINE , SIDEWINDER AND ANGLEWINDER cars!! Having all the chassis as angle winders is NOT as much fun!! When we started racing ONLY for speed--the 4second lap and GTP and Late model Nascar only--it gets BORING!! It's not what made hard body popular and fun in the past! If I want to go FAST--I"ll stick with Retro!! Sorry, just how I feel!! I miss the older, heavier, OLD SCHOOL race cars!!
So the answer is to mix it up. Have races by class and some mixed races thrown in. Like each Sunday have a mixed or combined race last, a NASCAR race and a specified race for another class of cars to lead off the day.
Post by Keith Tanaka on Nov 19, 2015 20:19:00 GMT -8
Good discussion. Doesn't matter to me what we race as I've raced a variety of different class cars for a long time. The main focus over the last few years has been to have races which draw the most entries. It's been awhile but we did at one time have specific races for a particular class (jalopy or trans am or whatever). Over time we were not drawing enough entries to have full fields and even had crash and burn races.
It would be nice to have three races each month, i.e., mixed race, NASCAR and/or GTP race and a third race which would rotate classes being raced. Unfortunately, too many of our racers leave before we get to the 3rd race and we don't have enough turn marshalls to run a race (except for crash and burn which is not popular).
If there's a race format which will allow racing different classes from time to time and draw enough entries to have full fields or near full fields, I'm all for it. As I stated, doesn't matter to me. It's up to the hardbody racers to decide what race format they favor and we can try it out to see what result we get.
By the way, going to a race format in which we race twice a month is still a possibility. Two race days a month would allow more variety as far as what is raced while keeping the race day to two races (instead of trying to get in three races).
Keep this discussion going, we might end up with a better race format.
The issue with getting in 3 races has more to do with not getting the races started when scheduled. the Noon race usually does not start until 1 pm or a little later. If we start on time and move the races closer together we can get in the 3 and not lose racers.
Post by Keith Tanaka on Nov 19, 2015 23:00:31 GMT -8
Michael, I checked the start times for the races this year to verify the actual start times. Most of the time, we started around 12:30 or earlier. For those races on the 5th Sunday of a month, we started an hour later since the track normally opens at 11 am rather than 10 am on our regular race day each month. This year has seen a much larger field of racers each month (except for this month's races) and we therefore had large round robin races rather than regular 8 heat races. This of course lengths the race day, but we still had 4 mains on most of those race days (rather than 3 mains). Last Sunday's races had the smallest turnout since last year and that's why we started later than usual as I waited longer to see if more racers would show up. I also spent a lot of time talking with Paul Frazier before the first race, otherwise we probably would have started sooner.
Anyway, I've noticed some racers are leaving earlier than in the past and this affects whether or not we have enough racers for a third race regardless of what time the 3rd race starts. Basically, the larger field of racers lengthens the race day by having either a large round robin race or two mains instead of one. This scenario means we can't finish the 3rd race of the day before 5 pm (before the early birds leave). Larger entry fields are good and bad? Good for BPR but not good for those we leave early and want to race 3 times.
All in all, after reviewing the races we've had so far this year, I'd say we've definitely had more races (heats) in the same amount of time as last year. Of course, we can always improve but I don't think we have a lot of room for improvement unless the guys eliminate the lunch break between the first and second races. As far as starting at noon, we still have some racers arriving at the track too late to start at noon exactly (although 12:30 seems to be the optimum time to start). If we can get the guys to show up on time, ready to race at noon, we'll start at noon.
hello everybody. hey tim i think the gtps are on the lead page is because the enduro is being promoted.there is nothing saying you cant run LMP,retro and hardbody.if we go with a featured class each mo and your desired class comes up then come race it.hate to not race against you because of mixed and combined class. youre good comp.
You're right of course. I just have to resign myself to the fact we don't have enough "old school" hard body racers anymore. The new GTP and Nascar stuff has taken over and it's just not my preference! It's not what attracted me to hard body in the first place!! Cya at the Enduro--- I"m going to head back to retro for a while. Can't make time for everything so something's gotta give! It's all good!!
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Keith Tanaka: The mid-engine Lotus Europa will be allowed to race in the Foreign Production Sports (hardtop) class. The D3 Hardbody rules have been updated to include this revision (see post above).
Jul 11, 2020 13:29:18 GMT -8
Keith Tanaka: Not sure yet when we can return to our racing. In the meantime, just saw a very interesting interview with Jim Hall talking about his Chaparral car designs (see post above for video clip).
Jun 3, 2020 15:51:02 GMT -8
Keith Tanaka: Just heard the sad news today. Jay Henry passed away. He battled cancer although he didn't want others to know of his health condition in the last year or so. We'll miss his enthusiasm for our hobby. RIP Jay.
Apr 16, 2020 16:24:25 GMT -8
Keith Tanaka: Unable to race slot cars because of the Coronavirus outbreak, here's some interesting interviews with some Legends of our hobby talking about the Golden Era of Slot Car Racing (see above).
Apr 3, 2020 10:25:55 GMT -8
Eddie: Greetings to my Hardbody Racing friends. I hope all of you are doing well, and that we'll be racing again sooner rather than later!
Apr 1, 2020 10:20:15 GMT -8
Keith Tanaka: The Trans Am Enduro is postponed. We'll reschedule the enduro when authorities deem its safe to conduct group activities.
Mar 27, 2020 19:35:56 GMT -8
Keith Tanaka: Racer Handicap and Lap Differential charts updated to include races on 3-15-2020 (see above).
Mar 20, 2020 19:46:16 GMT -8
Keith Tanaka: The D3 Hardbody race for March 29th has been cancelled due to the Coronavirus situation. The Trans Am enduro has NOT been postponed at this time, but any change in schedule will depend on the virus situation in the coming weeks.
Mar 17, 2020 12:31:40 GMT -8
Keith Tanaka: Sunday's hardbody race report has been posted at our Smugmug website (see link above).
Mar 16, 2020 18:06:14 GMT -8
Keith Tanaka: Yesterday's D3 Hardbody races at BPR had a lite turnout of racers probably affected by the Coronavirus. Gonzo raised the bar again by exceeding the GTP total lap record of 266 with 268 laps (nearly 269 laps!). Race report to be posted later today.
Mar 16, 2020 10:18:53 GMT -8
Keith Tanaka: Team HiTech will be in the enduro. We now have 8 teams for the enduro.
Feb 28, 2020 11:14:20 GMT -8
Keith Tanaka: The enduro has 7 teams participating so far. Waiting for Team Hitech and Slot Car LFR to respond.
Feb 22, 2020 21:04:48 GMT -8
Eddie: Team Autorama is in, we just don't know WHO we are. Yet. :-)
Feb 16, 2020 9:05:30 GMT -8
Keith Tanaka: Team signups for the Trans Am Enduro in April have begun (see above). Who's going to race?
Jan 31, 2020 16:41:44 GMT -8
Keith Tanaka: Sunday's D3 Hardbody race report has been posted at our Smugmug website (see above for link to report).
Jan 20, 2020 19:04:25 GMT -8
Keith Tanaka: The D3 Hardbody Racing 2020 calendar arrived recently. For those who ordered one, I'll have the calendars at BPR on Sunday, January 19th (next D3 Hardbody race day).
Jan 8, 2020 11:13:29 GMT -8
Keith Tanaka: Sunday's D3 Hardbody races had another sub 5 sec. lap by Jim Lane (2nd time for Jim). A lot of fast, close racing again with lots of laughs at our last race for 2019. Race report to be posted later today. Happy New Year everyone!
Dec 30, 2019 12:28:59 GMT -8
Keith Tanaka: The Sub 5 Second "Club" chart has been posted (see above). Who will be the next D3 Hardbody racer to join this fast lap club?
Dec 27, 2019 15:37:41 GMT -8
Keith Tanaka: The Racer Handicap chart has been updated to include the races on 12-15-19 (see above).
Dec 27, 2019 14:34:43 GMT -8
Keith Tanaka: Sunday's D3 Hardbody race report has been posted at our Smugmug website (see post above).
Dec 17, 2019 11:11:19 GMT -8