rogeru
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Post by rogeru on Oct 24, 2012 14:31:57 GMT -8
Last Sunday some of us talked a little of having a new class for stock cars from the late 1940s and early 50s. What years were you considering for this class?
I've heard there are models of the 1948 Chevy (I think), '49 Mercury, '50 Oldsmobile, '52-'53 Hudson, '53 Ford (I think), and '55 Chrysler. There are possibly others I don't know about also.
With these narrower, higher, shorter bodies and the homeset motors they would be quite different and fun to drive. It would be good to have some variety in the speed and driving required between all the classes we race, IMO.
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Post by Keith Tanaka on Oct 24, 2012 17:08:15 GMT -8
Roger, post WWII ('46) to '56. I don't know if there are any '46 models available, but '47 to '56 should provide plenty of these post war cars.
The reason for using the TSRF homeset motor is to provide a slower car which is driveable rather than a much faster car which will be difficult to keep in the slot using the current Falcon 7 or TSR D3 motor. The speed of this class would be similar to our 36D NASCARs. Of course we would need to run some cars with this motor to verify the speed of these cars.
For now, it's just an idea for a racing class using some very unique and vintage type cars from the post war era. Gotta love the '53 Hudson!
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Post by craigg on Oct 24, 2012 18:05:29 GMT -8
On the Merc's you have to watch out, some of them come with chopped tops like Lead Sleds. This sounds like fun, but are we getting too many classes? We don't get to race all of what we have now.
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Post by craigg on Oct 24, 2012 18:07:45 GMT -8
And shouldn't that be rogeruu?
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rogeru
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Post by rogeru on Oct 24, 2012 19:02:29 GMT -8
I do think this class would be fun but, thats true I think there are too many classes already. We could stop running some classes or combine some classes. Not sure of the best way to do that. The race days now take a lot of time and it would be really nice to not have to hang around so long. This might result in more racers in each of the fewer classes and encourage some of us (including me) to stay around to help out until the end of the days racing.
Just one u for now uu seems to be a lot of extra typing :-)
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Post by Keith Tanaka on Oct 24, 2012 19:17:01 GMT -8
Too many classes? I agree, but those of us who like to build will probably keep trying new cars. Maybe there's a way to have a monthly racing format with one of the races being a rotation of some classes?
Any new class will take time to develop. A '46-'56 class may not be popular, but we won't know until we see how these cars run and what interest there is. I think trying to use the slower motor (TSRF homeset motor) will be a good experiment to see how these cars run. The stock 36D class is not growing because the motors require too much work to run properly. Perhaps another slow motor for these slow cars is needed. The '46-'56 cars are narrower than our other NASCAR classes, so a slower motor is probably needed in order to make these cars driveable.
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Post by craigg on Oct 24, 2012 20:42:59 GMT -8
I agree, building and developing new stuff is fun. The rotating classes thing would be good if we could figure it out and announce it ahead of time. If there are small fields for some classes we could run them in one race and have seperate results? As constructive critisism, there seems to be too much down time between races and we need to get started closer to the annonced noon time.
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Post by mkalelaw on Oct 24, 2012 21:07:10 GMT -8
I like the idea of new classes, but we are already have a new class with the 1990s and 2000s Nascar cars and we have not raced them yet. I also think that getting the races going more consistently as to time would help and that scheduling what classes are going to race on which days and in what order would help. Even if we race 4 at a time so as to have enough help around the track, each race at the most should last about an hour and we should be able to get in 3 full races between noon and 4. Also we would probably have to race 4 at a time less often if we have a schedule and more would hang in to the end. For instance, if we have a 1/2 hour or so race and start at noon, by 1:15 we should be starting the 2nd race and by 3:15 starting a 3rd race.
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Post by Keith Tanaka on Oct 25, 2012 15:31:49 GMT -8
Michael, I agree that we need to run our race schedule in a more timely manner. This month's races were not the usual as far as participation was concerned. Last Sunday's race day was much different than normal. It's typical after a big race (Hardbody Nats) to have fewer participants than usual. We had a smaller turnout of racers (especially for the first race). We took a lunch break which we normally never do. We had a 4 + 4 race which takes twice as long as a regular race. And we took more time between races. All of these added to a much longer day. We have had 4 races in one day before and finished within 5 hrs. That's about as fast as we can go, but it only works when racers show up on time for the first race. I suppose we could come up with a predetermined race day schedule way in advance of each month's races. I could post the next month's race schedule ahead of time on this website if that will help the racers show up on time.
I'm certainly open to any suggestions for improving our racing program. Those racers who are on a tight time schedule on race day should probably let us know in advance so we can try to schedule the races accordingly.
Any comments?
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rogeru
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Post by rogeru on Oct 30, 2012 18:36:32 GMT -8
My thoughts on shorter race days.
One idea would be to split the races - have some classes one month and the other classes the next month.
Another idea would be to eliminate the less popular classes having fewer races, but this is tough because each class has guys who like to race those cars.
The idea I like is to combine some classes (and maybe eliminate 1 or 2). I would suggest combining 1980, 1990, and 2000 Nascar classes into one race. Then a race for Jalopies. Then a race for 3Cs. Then a race for the 1946-1956 stockers, this is a class I'd really like to run. Maybe eliminate 36Ds and Trans-Am as they seldom have enough for a race. Or, combine Trans-Am with the 3Cs.
The important thing with which ever way we go is to keep moving in a timely manner. Have the order of races set ahead of time, everybody show up on time, start at a scheduled time, keep time between races to at most 30 minutes, and don't stop the racing for one guys car repairs (hmm that sounds mean doesn't it).
Anyway, these are my thoughts
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Post by Keith Tanaka on Oct 30, 2012 20:00:14 GMT -8
My thoughts on shorter race days. One idea would be to split the races - have some classes one month and the other classes the next month. Another idea would be to eliminate the less popular classes having fewer races, but this is tough because each class has guys who like to race those cars. The idea I like is to combine some classes (and maybe eliminate 1 or 2). I would suggest combining 1980, 1990, and 2000 Nascar classes into one race. Then a race for Jalopies. Then a race for 3Cs. Then a race for the 1946-1956 stockers, this is a class I'd really like to run. Maybe eliminate 36Ds and Trans-Am as they seldom have enough for a race. Or, combine Trans-Am with the 3Cs. The important thing with which ever way we go is to keep moving in a timely manner. Have the order of races set ahead of time, everybody show up on time, start at a scheduled time, keep time between races to at most 30 minutes, and don't stop the racing for one guys car repairs (hmm that sounds mean doesn't it). Anyway, these are my thoughts Roger, I like your ideas. Combining some classes to be run together has worked in the past and is probably a good way to have a larger race field as well as run some classes which normally are not run on a regular basis. I agree that it would be good to combine the 80's, 90's and 2000's into one race each month. This would allow some of the newer cars to run with the 80's cars. These classes are very similar in performance so it's probably a good way to race these classes as one. The '46 to '56 cars would be nice to run as soon as we have enough entries. Perhaps a crash and burn for these cars until we have enough for a regular race. I realize it's yet another new class, but it does provide an era of cars which are quite different from our other classes. We'll see over time if this new class catches on. As far as race day schedule, we were able to run a quick race day schedule in the past when we did the following: 1. Start first race on time, at noon. 2. Only enough time between races to take podium photos and enter names for the next race into the computer. As far as a lunch break, we normally do not take a lunch break, but I'm open to having a break if that's what the racer's want. We need to avoid having races with extra heats as this will lengthen the race day. By this I mean, don't have races which have more heats than entries (i.e.- running only 4 lanes at a time). Here's a thought, have one race each month in which you can enter whatever class car you want. It would be a very mixed field of cars, but it would allow everyone a chance to run a car that maybe is not run every month. Of course the podium results would not be fair as it would obviously favor the faster racing classes, but the focus of this race would be to have fun and not be concerned so much who wins. In order to get feedback on what the racers prefer to do on race day, I will probably post a "poll" to ask the racers what they prefer as far as the race schedule and classes run each month. Any other ideas out there?
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Post by craigg on Oct 30, 2012 21:13:07 GMT -8
Combining classes to get a full field is a good idea, but we can have class winners. We don't have to combine results. Allowing all the NASCAR eras to race together is fine. I really hate crash and burn races, I crash and burn too often. Even though my Tran Am car is way slow, I would like to race it once in a while. Right now the NASCAR, Jalopy, and 3C's are the most popular, so we probably need to run them. If we can get a fourth race in, it could be all other classes combined. We will have to see about the popularity of the early model stock cars.
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timneja
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Love racing these hard body cars!! The new knee is working better--so I'll be back soon!!
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Post by timneja on Oct 31, 2012 18:24:29 GMT -8
I also say we have TOO many class's now. And building new cars doesn't have to mean new class's. It's always good to build new cars for the existing class to try to improve your performance. Why not have 80's to 2000 bodies one class? And then run Trans Am and 3 C's together? Their only a few body styles running in each class anyway. And I'd go for eliminating the old 36D cars! It's too much of a PIA to find the old stock parts necessary to keep these babies running anyway. And Talladega nights cars could be built with modified Falcon motors!! We can get the power we need to make them exciting with simple franken motors!! They'd still be a blast to drive! FWIW
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